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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 16:47:54 GMT
Danny Shittu claims he doesn't have to prove himself to anyone because he is an internationalist,I dont think the reason that Celtic want the players here is to prove they are good players but its to prove they are fit enough to play for Celtic, Are Celtic correct in what they are doing?.We lost the chance to sign Ivan De La Pena years ago because of this.
Thoughts.
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Post by liam on Sept 9, 2010 16:52:24 GMT
He is in his thirties, hasn't played regularly for a while and has been a bit injury prone.
It makes sense to check his fitness levels. No one is questioning his ability as far as I am aware just whether he is fit enough. I wouldn't want to sign him and them pay him a small fortune for sitting in the physio's room getting treatment all season.
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Post by dan3 on Sept 9, 2010 17:01:23 GMT
Would your fitness level not be part of the medical ? i hate it when CELTIC do this,if theres the slightest doubt about a players fitness or if he is injury prone then dont sign him.asking experianced players to go through a trial like a 16 yr old is in my opinion insulting.
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:04:27 GMT
on this occasion, you cannot ask a seasoned international player to come on trial, wether its to guage fitness or not, we should know what shittu is capable of,so if he can do a job in the sphell sign him if not dont!
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:05:57 GMT
He is in his thirties, hasn't played regularly for a while and has been a bit injury prone. It makes sense to check his fitness levels. No one is questioning his ability as far as I am aware just whether he is fit enough. I wouldn't want to sign him and them pay him a small fortune for sitting in the physio's room getting treatment all season. jim, did he not play every game in the world cup?
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Post by jasbhoy on Sept 9, 2010 17:17:20 GMT
If he passes a medical however stringent then that should be enough, I think only young players and players from outside Europe should have trials, although there should be exceptions like well travelled experienced internationals.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 17:30:48 GMT
We had 5 players on trial 2 months ago and not one of them were signed,We dont know who these guys were but i feel that if a player who has a history of injuries shouldn't be worried if he feels he's fit enough or good enough if he's asked to take a weeks trial.
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Post by prairiebhoy on Sept 9, 2010 17:41:36 GMT
on this occasion, you cannot ask a seasoned international player to come on trial, wether its to guage fitness or not, we should know what shittu is capable of,so if he can do a job in the sphell sign him if not dont! Why not? We are not talking about a guy who has played continuous football for the last season, the world cup and summer camp who found himself released. This is a guy who's manager didn't see fit to play him at all last season (red flag). He participated in the world cup so he got to see, what?, three matches? I don't see how we should know what Shittu is capable of when he hasn't played for the most part in a year. It's a job like any other and paying a guy like him a higher wage packet based on a supposed EPL pedigree, is not smart man management if you don't kick the tires before you buy. He has made his choice so good luck to him. Maybe Wigan will hire him or maybe Hull or Boro. The better choice is Demerit but Celtic don't seem to be interested in a proven Central Defender who has played continuously and starts for his national team
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:42:19 GMT
We had 5 players on trial 2 months ago and not one of them were signed,We dont know who these guys were but i feel that if a player who has a history of injuries shouldn't be worried if he feels he's fit enough or good enough if he's asked to take a weeks trial. fitness has got nowt to do with ability..he has nearly 30 caps for nigeria,if we want him sign him with clauses concerning fitness,if we dont want him tell him..you cant ask a 32 year old player to come on trial.amaturish at best.
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Post by Sassenach on Sept 9, 2010 17:42:25 GMT
If he doesn't like our terms he doesnt have to come. Is he hiding his level of fitness? Is he not injury prone? He is a free agent after all so his choice now
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:43:41 GMT
on this occasion, you cannot ask a seasoned international player to come on trial, wether its to guage fitness or not, we should know what shittu is capable of,so if he can do a job in the sphell sign him if not dont! Why not? We are not talking about a guy who has played continuous football for the last season, the world cup and summer camp who found himself released. This is a guy who's manager didn't see fit to play him at all last season (red flag). He participated in the world cup so he got to see, what?, three matches? I don't see how we should know what Shittu is capable of when he hasn't played for the most part in a year. It's a job like any other and paying a guy like him a higher wage packet based on a supposed EPL pedigree, is not smart man management if you don't kick the tires before you buy. He has made his choice so good luck to him. Maybe Wigan will hire him or maybe Hull or Boro. The better choice is Demerit but Celtic don't seem to be interested in a proven Central Defender who has played continuously and starts for his national team then you dont buy him PB its as simple as that..stick a clause in his contract regarding games played against salary paid.
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:45:03 GMT
If he doesn't like our terms he doesnt have to come. Is he hiding his level of fitness? Is he not injury prone? He is a free agent after all so his choice now sass, its only about how much money shittu can earn with 1 last contract, he has many suiters in europe and africa, he will not want for a club..
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Post by dan3 on Sept 9, 2010 17:45:15 GMT
Surely if a player is injury prone then if you still want him that has to be reflected in his wages,what realy puzzles me is this,why speak to a player about coming to CELTIC if your not convinced about his fitness,seems odd to me.
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Post by prairiebhoy on Sept 9, 2010 17:45:45 GMT
Masterson, If you go in for a new job despite your long experience, don't be surprised if they ask you questions or test you.
These effing run of the mill football players are not gods. This guy ought to figure out why he was dropped by a crap team like Bolton.
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Post by honeybhoy on Sept 9, 2010 17:46:18 GMT
I don't blame the Club one bit for asking for a trial in this case. PB presents the case for the prosecution very well in post 7. We don't do it for every player that is signed...just for those with questions to answer. Sure there is some risk that we lose out on a player who refuses the trial but more importantly it's about risk management and making sure that the Club doesn't sign a guy who can't play to the level of his paycheck.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 17:50:13 GMT
We had 5 players on trial 2 months ago and not one of them were signed,We dont know who these guys were but i feel that if a player who has a history of injuries shouldn't be worried if he feels he's fit enough or good enough if he's asked to take a weeks trial. fitness has got nowt to do with ability..he has nearly 30 caps for nigeria,if we want him sign him with clauses concerning fitness,if we dont want him tell him..you cant ask a 32 year old player to come on trial.amaturish at best. In the last year we have signed centre halfs who got injured straight away, rogne and hooiveld, we cannot afford to fall into that trap again. Shittu is a free agent at the moment and has time on his side, if he doesn't want to come on trial it will be his loss, lots of teams take players on trial, the huns included and if they are no better than we have then we dont sign them.also how can a team rate a player who has only played 10 league games since 2008?.
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:51:37 GMT
Masterson, If you go in for a new job despite your long experience, don't be surprised if they ask you questions or test you. These effing run of the mill football players are not gods. This guy ought to figure out why he was dropped by a crap team like Bolton. dont disagree with that mate, chase him well,i dont particularly fancy him.any kind of fitness doubts would surely show up in a stringent medical, if we aint happy with the result , pull out.in my opinion its that simple.
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Post by Sassenach on Sept 9, 2010 17:52:01 GMT
There must be a reason that Celtic are asking for this, serious doubts as to his fitness perhaps. And they are withing their right to ask this before committing money to a contract
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Post by prairiebhoy on Sept 9, 2010 17:52:11 GMT
Better hope that Danny doesn't piss away his money and get injured and end his career. If he does, I have a couple of extra phrases for him to learn that will help him in his next career:
"Thank you for coming to McDonalds, may I take your order please?"
and
"Would you like to supersize your order of fries to go with that Quarter-Pounder with Cheese?"
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:53:52 GMT
Masterson, If you go in for a new job despite your long experience, don't be surprised if they ask you questions or test you. These effing run of the mill football players are not gods. This guy ought to figure out why he was dropped by a crap team like Bolton. dont disagree with that mate, chase him well,i dont particularly fancy him.any kind of fitness doubts would surely show up in a stringent medical, if we aint happy with the result , pull out.in my opinion its that simple. again i dont disagree, but in this case the player is a seasoned professional, if he's not good or fit enough chase him,
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:54:29 GMT
There must be a reason that Celtic are asking for this, serious doubts as to his fitness perhaps. And they are withing their right to ask this before committing money to a contract then i repeat, chase him...
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 17:55:15 GMT
There must be a reason that Celtic are asking for this, serious doubts as to his fitness perhaps. And they are withing their right to ask this before committing money to a contract he has only played 10 league games since 2008, one of them was of the bench, maybe celtic want to see what he can do?,he did not play one game for his team last season, to me to ask a player to take a trial with this sort of a record is no big deal.
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:55:53 GMT
fitness has got nowt to do with ability..he has nearly 30 caps for nigeria,if we want him sign him with clauses concerning fitness,if we dont want him tell him..you cant ask a 32 year old player to come on trial.amaturish at best. In the last year we have signed centre halfs who got injured straight away, rogne and hooiveld, we cannot afford to fall into that trap again. Shittu is a free agent at the moment and has time on his side, if he doesn't want to come on trial it will be his loss, lots of teams take players on trial, the huns included and if they are no better than we have then we dont sign them. also how can a team rate a player who has only played 10 league games since 2008?. in that case why are we even looking at him?
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 17:57:18 GMT
There must be a reason that Celtic are asking for this, serious doubts as to his fitness perhaps. And they are withing their right to ask this before committing money to a contract he has only played 10 league games since 2008, one of them was of the bench, maybe celtic want to see what he can do?,he did not play one game for his team last season, to me to ask a player to take a trial with this sort of a record is no big deal. it obviouslly is to him,he has a few offers on the go, so he probably wants to see what kind of money we were going to offer.
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Post by colint on Sept 9, 2010 18:00:13 GMT
In the current climate we cannot afford to sign a player straight away without finding out knowing how fit he is especially if as reported he is looking for £20k a week.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 18:01:50 GMT
he has only played 10 league games since 2008, one of them was of the bench, maybe celtic want to see what he can do?,he did not play one game for his team last season, to me to ask a player to take a trial with this sort of a record is no big deal. it obviouslly is to him,he has a few offers on the go, so he probably wants to see what kind of money we were going to offer. thats maybe why celtic want to see before they buy, a turkish team wanted him in may.
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 18:02:27 GMT
In the current climate we cannot afford to sign a player straight away without finding out knowing how fit he is especially if as reported he is looking for £20k a week. is that not why a player has a medical?
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 18:09:25 GMT
Celtic could miss out on Danny Shittu – if the Nigerian star turns down the Parkhead club’s offer of a trial.
The out-of-contract former QPR and Watford defender has held talks with senior Hoops officials about a move to Scotland.
However, the Glasgow club want the injury-plagued player to train at Lennoxtown for a week to prove his fitness.
And the ex-Bolton man feels that, as an established internationalist, he doesn’t need to do that.
Shittu, 30, has interest from other clubs in the npower Championship – Leicester City are believed to be tracking him.
Middle East outfit Al-Ahli, managed by ex-Leeds boss David O’Leary, are also keen on landing him.
The big stopper, who hardly played for Owen Coyle’s side last season, was a target for Rangers a couple of years ago.
However, his move to Ibrox collapsed because of his excessive wage demands. Shittu, who was on international duty with his country this week, has revealed that his future will be sorted out later this week.
“Contrary to negative reports about what happened between me and Bolton, God has destined me to join a team that would put smiles on my face and that of my fans,” said Shittu.
“I have some offers in England and some top ones too in Europe and I am confident that within a week, I will duly announce my preferred club.
“The most important thing for me is to join a club that will make me happy and also give me playing time so that I will be able to enjoy football the way I used to.”
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Post by patmac on Sept 9, 2010 18:11:05 GMT
we never sign anyone we take on trial maybe hes that desperate to move to us and hes seen the amount of trialists we have chased hes no riskin it lol
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Post by turkishtim on Sept 9, 2010 18:14:33 GMT
Why not give him a pay per game contract, that would cover us against injury or if he turns out to be poor. Still never heard what went wrong with any Ramis deal, or the french guy who eventually went to Genoa on loan.
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