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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 18:15:13 GMT
we never sign anyone we take on trial maybe hes that desperate to move to us and hes seen the amount of trialists we have chased hes no riskin it lol maybe thats because they are no better than we already have.
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Post by honeybhoy on Sept 9, 2010 18:19:17 GMT
fitness has got nowt to do with ability..he has nearly 30 caps for nigeria,if we want him sign him with clauses concerning fitness,if we dont want him tell him..you cant ask a 32 year old player to come on trial.amaturish at best. In the last year we have signed centre halfs who got injured straight away, rogne and hooiveld, we cannot afford to fall into that trap again. Shittu is a free agent at the moment and has time on his side, if he doesn't want to come on trial it will be his loss, lots of teams take players on trial, the huns included and if they are no better than we have then we dont sign them.also how can a team rate a player who has only played 10 league games since 2008?. in that case why are we even looking at him?The only reason that I can think of is that it's an indication that Lennon is not pleased with the defenders presently at the Club.
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Post by mccaffery on Sept 9, 2010 18:20:44 GMT
He has not played a lot of games. why? waste money if he is can`t keep fit for a season. I know there is no guarante any player can keep fit but why did he not play for Bolton
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 18:23:59 GMT
Why not give him a pay per game contract, that would cover us against injury or if he turns out to be poor. Still never heard what went wrong with any Ramis deal, or the french guy who eventually went to Genoa on loan. ramis has a dodgy knee, his club would not release ex-rays, so we pulled out, dont know about the french guy.
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Post by prairiebhoy on Sept 9, 2010 18:28:30 GMT
Celtic could miss out on Danny Shittu – if the Nigerian star turns down the Parkhead club’s offer of a trial. The out-of-contract former QPR and Watford defender has held talks with senior Hoops officials about a move to Scotland. However, the Glasgow club want the injury-plagued player to train at Lennoxtown for a week to prove his fitness. And the ex-Bolton man feels that, as an established internationalist, he doesn’t need to do that. Shittu, 30, has interest from other clubs in the npower Championship – Leicester City are believed to be tracking him. Middle East outfit Al-Ahli, managed by ex-Leeds boss David O’Leary, are also keen on landing him. The big stopper, who hardly played for Owen Coyle’s side last season, was a target for Rangers a couple of years ago. However, his move to Ibrox collapsed because of his excessive wage demands. Shittu, who was on international duty with his country this week, has revealed that his future will be sorted out later this week. “Contrary to negative reports about what happened between me and Bolton, God has destined me to join a team that would put smiles on my face and that of my fans,” said Shittu.
“I have some offers in England and some top ones too in Europe and I am confident that within a week, I will duly announce my preferred club. “ The most important thing for me is to join a club that will make me happy and also give me playing time so that I will be able to enjoy football the way I used to.” Let's see, Coyle wouldn't play him and he had excessive wage demands scuttle his move. Also, always be wary when a pro athlete starts bringing God into a conversation regarding a business transaction
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Post by masterson on Sept 9, 2010 18:40:16 GMT
Celtic could miss out on Danny Shittu – if the Nigerian star turns down the Parkhead club’s offer of a trial. The out-of-contract former QPR and Watford defender has held talks with senior Hoops officials about a move to Scotland. However, the Glasgow club want the injury-plagued player to train at Lennoxtown for a week to prove his fitness. And the ex-Bolton man feels that, as an established internationalist, he doesn’t need to do that. Shittu, 30, has interest from other clubs in the npower Championship – Leicester City are believed to be tracking him. Middle East outfit Al-Ahli, managed by ex-Leeds boss David O’Leary, are also keen on landing him. The big stopper, who hardly played for Owen Coyle’s side last season, was a target for Rangers a couple of years ago. However, his move to Ibrox collapsed because of his excessive wage demands. Shittu, who was on international duty with his country this week, has revealed that his future will be sorted out later this week. “Contrary to negative reports about what happened between me and Bolton, God has destined me to join a team that would put smiles on my face and that of my fans,” said Shittu.
“I have some offers in England and some top ones too in Europe and I am confident that within a week, I will duly announce my preferred club. “ The most important thing for me is to join a club that will make me happy and also give me playing time so that I will be able to enjoy football the way I used to.” Let's see, Coyle wouldn't play him and he had excessive wage demands scuttle his move. Also, always be wary when a pro athlete starts bringing God into a conversation regarding a business transaction sensing a wee bit of hostility towards this guy PB, did he burgle your house?...
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 18:41:48 GMT
If a player had played constant for his team i would say he has a right to refuse a trial but,If he had not played at all last season we cannot even look at videos of him unless the clips are 2 years old!!!..Celtic are 100% correct on this occasion i feel.
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Post by prairiebhoy on Sept 9, 2010 18:49:32 GMT
Let's see, Coyle wouldn't play him and he had excessive wage demands scuttle his move. Also, always be wary when a pro athlete starts bringing God into a conversation regarding a business transaction sensing a wee bit of hostility towards this guy PB, did he burgle your house?... No sir, his stance just flies in the face of facts. I also feel that when you are going to shell out a good weekly wage, you have a right to know if your player is up to the challenge. That he has a problem with this shows me that he won't be reasonable. Also, he's Danny Shittu not Rio Ferdinand. Try going to a big club under his particular circumstances and get away without a trial. It wouldn't happen and he wouldn't complain about it if Ferguson or Wenger told him to come in and trial
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Post by dannybhoy on Sept 9, 2010 19:05:49 GMT
Trial is a good idea in my mind. Better than to find out they are Caldwell material.
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Post by junglejim on Sept 9, 2010 19:12:49 GMT
It all depends on whether you value the opportunity to play for Celtic above other teams. If I wanted to play for Celtic and/or they were offering the best deal then why would I be worried about a trial. I should be confident enough in my ability and fitness to come through the test. Seems to me he has something to hide or he has a better offer elsewhere.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 19:14:34 GMT
Trial is a good idea in my mind. Better than to find out they are Caldwell material. nothing wrong with the legend..
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Post by junglejim on Sept 9, 2010 19:22:36 GMT
[/quote]nothing wrong with the legend..
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....now that he's playing elsewhere.
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Post by dannybhoy on Sept 9, 2010 19:25:03 GMT
That's an insult tae wee jimmy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 21:06:42 GMT
I don't see it as a bad thing. I doubt anyone at the club doubts the ability of the people 'on trial'.
I'd say it was more a case of seeing how a player fits in to the surroundings and how he interacts with the rest of the squad. Also, it gives the player a chance to try us out. To see whether he likes the look of the city, the club and his potential team mates.
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Post by junglejim on Sept 9, 2010 21:12:43 GMT
I don't see it as a bad thing. I doubt anyone at the club doubts the ability of the people 'on trial'. I'd say it was more a case of seeing how a player fits in to the surroundings and how he interacts with the rest of the squad. Also, it gives the player a chance to try us out. To see whether he likes the look of the city, the club and his potential team mates. I think that is a good point. It should be a two way street, a chance for both parties to decide whether the arrangement suits. If it doesn't for whatever reason then no harm done, particularly in this situation where the individual is a free agent
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Post by bigdavie on Sept 9, 2010 22:27:45 GMT
The guy's grasping at straws. Ex QPR and Watford, played half a dozen games in the last 2 years, why are we even being linked to him? As for 20 grand a week. WTF is he on? and i don't mean his salary.
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Post by carson67 on Sept 9, 2010 23:16:31 GMT
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marvin andrews!!
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Post by carson67 on Sept 9, 2010 23:20:56 GMT
I dont see whats wrong with asking a player to come on trial,unless he is messi.
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Post by liam on Sept 9, 2010 23:34:57 GMT
People are saying that a stringent medical will highlight any problems. Sorry but I just don't see that, it's not the same as watching someone in training on a daily basis, watching him playing in matches, watching what he is willing to do and not to do. There's a certain body language when players are in games that shows what they themselves are avoiding.
For a player like this, with his background, a trial (or whatever you want to call it) is a must. It's not a trial of his ability or skill. It's not a medical. It's our background staff assessing whether a player is a decent risk, one which will potentially cost us a million pound a year.
To me it just makes sense, and good on us if we say that if you aren't willing to do it then you aint joining.
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Post by singtim on Sept 9, 2010 23:42:57 GMT
i remember the same thing happened with rivaldo, in that case i think we should have given him the benefit of the doubt but with shittu all things considered it was probably best to have him train first
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Post by carson67 on Sept 9, 2010 23:48:17 GMT
People are saying that a stringent medical will highlight any problems. Sorry but I just don't see that, it's not the same as watching someone in training on a daily basis, watching him playing in matches, watching what he is willing to do and not to do. There's a certain body language when players are in games that shows what they themselves are avoiding. For a player like this, with his background, a trial (or whatever you want to call it) is a must. It's not a trial of his ability or skill. It's not a medical. It's our background staff assessing whether a player is a decent risk, one which will potentially cost us a million pound a year. To me it just makes sense, and good on us if we say that if you aren't willing to do it then you aint joining. He must be hiding something or scared of failing the trial if he is so sure of himself why not come and prove it another thing how come he hasnt got a club if is so good.chase him i say
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Post by liam on Sept 9, 2010 23:51:49 GMT
People are saying that a stringent medical will highlight any problems. Sorry but I just don't see that, it's not the same as watching someone in training on a daily basis, watching him playing in matches, watching what he is willing to do and not to do. There's a certain body language when players are in games that shows what they themselves are avoiding. For a player like this, with his background, a trial (or whatever you want to call it) is a must. It's not a trial of his ability or skill. It's not a medical. It's our background staff assessing whether a player is a decent risk, one which will potentially cost us a million pound a year. To me it just makes sense, and good on us if we say that if you aren't willing to do it then you aint joining. He must be hiding something or scared of failing the trial if he is so sure of himself why not come and prove it another thing how come he hasnt got a club if is so good.chase him i say Good point, if he fails a trial with us what message does that send out to other potential clubs. Methinks he doth protest too much.
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Post by carson67 on Sept 10, 2010 0:01:48 GMT
tbh liam i dont know much about him but he sounds to me like a billy big time i am this am that.To long spent in the land of inflated egos methinks
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Post by liam on Sept 10, 2010 0:12:11 GMT
tbh liam i dont know much about him but he sounds to me like a billy big time i am this am that.To long spent in the land of inflated egos methinks Indeed. If he thinks he is too good to prove his fitness to us, before we pay him £1m a year, given his recent issues, then fair do's. Your loss, mate. Best of luck getting a club that will take a punt on you not being crocked and having to pay you £20k a week for doing feck all.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 10, 2010 0:16:01 GMT
he did not play one league or cup game last season, we have every right to ask him to have a trial before signing.a couple of world cup games does not make you a £20.000 a week player.
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Post by carson67 on Sept 10, 2010 0:21:19 GMT
The sad thing is someone will give him a deal because of those boasts,thats why football is in the mess it is, inflated egos and stupid chairman willing to pay silly money for ordinary players
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Post by gemster on Sept 10, 2010 0:55:29 GMT
i think trials are important . you are better to judge a player to see if he can adapt to your way of thinking rather than finding out that a player cannot adapt to your cause at a later stage. alright he is a proven internationalist but is he motivated by money? does he respct the team ? and the fans and can he do a job for us?
the jersey ha been sold to inferior players for too long , so lets bring some quality to paradise and if trials are needed so be it
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Post by barney on Sept 10, 2010 7:21:52 GMT
I think it prudent of Celtic to ask him to prove his fitness etc. The point has already been made, we have signed several centre backs lately, most of whom fall foul of injury in their 1st couple of games. He should be delighted a big club such as ours are interested in him and if he thinks he is good enough, come in on trial as I am sure we would sign him if he ticks all the boxes.
I am sure those saying that hes a seasoned pro and does not need to be on trial, would be the first to jump on him if he did not produce the goods.
We have had too many CB's lately who have not been up to the job and well done Lenny for making sure we are not stung.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 9:50:52 GMT
Guardiola said of the signing of Abramovich that when you buy a melon you dont know if its a good one untill you get it home and open it.
Character and personality are something you cant judge until you spend time with someone, and character is what we really need right now. I think that is a much of the point as ability or fitness.
De la Peña would have most likely have been a failure here, like a Naka without the workrate. Thats ok when you have time on the ball and a team built around you, but in the SPL forget it. I think MON was right on that call too.
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Post by patmac on Sept 10, 2010 10:21:16 GMT
i see we have another trialist in now in this guys case i would just sign him hes got the likes of ajax lookin at him so he must have something and he'll not cost much but we will bring him over have a look say hes not good enough then he'll sign for chelsea or something TRINIDAD STRIKER ON TRIAL A CELTIC Posted on Friday, 10th September 2010 by Joe McHugh Celtic have taken young Tinidadian striker Shahdon Winchester on trial. The 18-year-old will spend a fortnight training with the club and has inevitably been compared to former Manchester United striker Dwight Yorke. Winchester has already picked up a full international cap and has attracted interest from Ajax and a number of Premiership clubs. Russel Latapy, manager of Trinidad and Tobago told The Sun: “Shahdon is a fantastic young talent, a real little star. Our fans love him because he’s one of the brightest young stars our country has produced. “With the right guidance, the right opportunity and the right club he can go a long way. “You need luck in football and it depends what Lennon wants him to do but he’s got the ability, no doubt about it. “If I had to make a comparison I’d say Shahdon is like Dwight Yorke. “He’s got a lot of the same attributes. He runs at people, is super-strong and loves scoring goals. If he takes this chance and impresses, then he would be a fantastic player for Celtic.” It has to be said that other than Thomas Rogne there isn’t much evidence of many trialists being converted into signings in recent times. Former Rangers and Hibs midfielder Latapy however is confident that Winchester can make his mark. Latapy added: “He’s one of the kids who plays local to me and works with the national squad all the time. “”He’s powerful for a young man and has great composure on the ball. He’s not afraid to work hard and maybe he’s just a little bit shy. “But his confidence should soar if he gets the chance at Celtic. He’ll win a lot of games.” videocelts.com/2010/09/blogs/trinidad-striker-on-trial-a-celtic?
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