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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 23, 2010 17:30:18 GMT
See I think if Sammy had scored all six last night some folk would still want him dropped........... It would depend on how he played, who he was playing against and how he got the goals. Having just seen highlights it looked to me that he had more opportunities to score. I also think, as stated that he carried luck with 2 of the goals he did manage to score. The first he knew little about and the second he tried his best to make a mess of. It's all about opinions though. I think there is a better team of 11 players with Samaras on the bench. I think we have better striking options and better midfield options. Particularly when you consider that defensively he gives nothing to the team. It's obvious to me that Neil Lennon intends playing Samaras. I just don't think it makes any sense to do it alongside Hooper and Stokes as has been suggested. It just doesn't work as a balanced side for me. To those who weant to do that, and assuming they are playing a back 4, who are the other three in the middle. You can't just say play Samaras out wide along with the two main strikers, you also have to consider how that effects the other positions. Who plays in them and what the formation is. I say again, Maloney, Ledley, Juarez, Kayal, Brown, Forrest, McCourt. Which 3 play and which three don't if Samaras is playing. Samaras is a wanderer. he wanders all over the place, where were the 2 strikers last night when Sammi hit the bar?, Samaras was told to stay out wide and he came into the centre for that one..he was in the middle when he scored his 1st, correct place to be, he doesn't carry a lot of luck and he was lucky with that one..at least it didn't hit his back and go in like it did Miller.
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Post by deerin1916 on Sept 23, 2010 17:33:55 GMT
i dont believe we can drop him after scorin a hat-trick, especially while forrest is injured, hes not my favourite but hes on form, i know he can be erratic to say the least but how many players scre a hat-trick and get dropped the next game? young hooper looks a player, once hes match fit he'll leave defenders standin, anyway its a good problem to hav, hail hail
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Post by henrik on Sept 23, 2010 17:35:47 GMT
We have a striker who scores a hat trick and yes we still think he's c**p! Yes he can be frustrating but if you look at the options we had last season it was probably frustrating for half our team as well... Playing two strikers in a 4-4-2 is probably Lennon's best option, we have an abundance of mid fielders, so, yes playing Sammy out wide is not an option, If a 5 furlong horse is winning you stay with it until it gets beat, if a striker is scoring you keep playing them until the dry up, how they score goals is immaterial, I remember Henrik scoring at Anfield with his backside.
HAIL HAIL
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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 23, 2010 17:39:16 GMT
See I think if Sammy had scored all six last night some folk would still want him dropped........... It would depend on how he played, who he was playing against and how he got the goals. Having just seen highlights it looked to me that he had more opportunities to score. I also think, as stated that he carried luck with 2 of the goals he did manage to score. The first he knew little about and the second he tried his best to make a mess of. It's all about opinions though. I think there is a better team of 11 players with Samaras on the bench. I think we have better striking options and better midfield options. Particularly when you consider that defensively he gives nothing to the team. It's obvious to me that Neil Lennon intends playing Samaras. I just don't think it makes any sense to do it alongside Hooper and Stokes as has been suggested. It just doesn't work as a balanced side for me. To those who weant to do that, and assuming they are playing a back 4, who are the other three in the middle. You can't just say play Samaras out wide along with the two main strikers, you also have to consider how that effects the other positions. Who plays in them and what the formation is. I say again, Maloney, Ledley, Juarez, Kayal, Brown, Forrest, McCourt. Which 3 play and which three don't if Samaras is playing. He scored three goals in one game and you want to demean the feat by questioning the quality of the goals? Are we awarding extra points for artistic merit now? But tbh that probably sums up the Samaras detractors for me. If he has a stinker he gets slated and if he scores a hat-trick in a man-of-the-match performance he gets slated. Or even accused of having an ulterior motive for playing well ffs! Nothing this player does will ever be enough to convince you guys but thankfully he only has to convince Neil lennon. As to which three play and which three don't in your scenario above - I'm quite happy to leave that decision to the boss as well mate, he seems to be getting it right at the moment.
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Post by gerry on Sept 23, 2010 18:28:46 GMT
It would depend on how he played, who he was playing against and how he got the goals. Having just seen highlights it looked to me that he had more opportunities to score. I also think, as stated that he carried luck with 2 of the goals he did manage to score. The first he knew little about and the second he tried his best to make a mess of. It's all about opinions though. I think there is a better team of 11 players with Samaras on the bench. I think we have better striking options and better midfield options. Particularly when you consider that defensively he gives nothing to the team. It's obvious to me that Neil Lennon intends playing Samaras. I just don't think it makes any sense to do it alongside Hooper and Stokes as has been suggested. It just doesn't work as a balanced side for me. To those who weant to do that, and assuming they are playing a back 4, who are the other three in the middle. You can't just say play Samaras out wide along with the two main strikers, you also have to consider how that effects the other positions. Who plays in them and what the formation is. I say again, Maloney, Ledley, Juarez, Kayal, Brown, Forrest, McCourt. Which 3 play and which three don't if Samaras is playing. He scored three goals in one game and you want to demean the feat by questioning the quality of the goals? Are we awarding extra points for artistic merit now? But tbh that probably sums up the Samaras detractors for me. If he has a stinker he gets slated and if he scores a hat-trick in a man-of-the-match performance he gets slated. Or even accused of having an ulterior motive for playing well ffs! Nothing this player does will ever be enough to convince you guys but thankfully he only has to convince Neil lennon. As to which three play and which three don't in your scenario above - I'm quite happy to leave that decision to the boss as well mate, he seems to be getting it right at the moment. kyle laughatfee scored three the other night and got the man of the match. I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole, out wide or otherwise. I'm not "demeaning the feat", I'm saying that two of the goals were lucky. Everyone lucks out occasionally. For me Samaras should not get a starting berth based on scoring those goals, in a 6-0 win, against a weakened ICT team, a game which we dominated by the efforts of players like Ledley. I am more interested in what I have seen him do consistently, and that is fail to perform. If you would play him ahead of players who I believe have been performing well, great, it's just a difference of opinion. However saying "I'll just leave it to the manager" is kind of having your cake and eating it. You get to say that you would play Samaras, but you don't have to explain what you would change to allow it to happen. Sorry, but I'm calling a foul on that one.
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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 23, 2010 20:35:50 GMT
If you would play him ahead of players who I believe have been performing well, great, it's just a difference of opinion. However saying "I'll just leave it to the manager" is kind of having your cake and eating it. You get to say that you would play Samaras, but you don't have to explain what you would change to allow it to happen. Sorry, but I'm calling a foul on that one. Very good, Jim, but slow-motion replays show that I never actually said anything about starting Sammy. I didn't have any cake and I didn't eat any cake. Ref waves play on.
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Post by gerry on Sept 23, 2010 20:37:22 GMT
If you would play him ahead of players who I believe have been performing well, great, it's just a difference of opinion. However saying "I'll just leave it to the manager" is kind of having your cake and eating it. You get to say that you would play Samaras, but you don't have to explain what you would change to allow it to happen. Sorry, but I'm calling a foul on that one. Very good, Jim, but slow-motion replays show that I never actually said anything about starting Sammy. I didn't have any cake and I didn't eat any cake. Ref waves play on. Technology is not allowed, it's what the officials saw at the time that matters.
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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 23, 2010 20:42:47 GMT
Very good, Jim, but slow-motion replays show that I never actually said anything about starting Sammy. I didn't have any cake and I didn't eat any cake. Ref waves play on. Technology is not allowed, it's what the officials saw at the time that matters. Luddite!
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Post by 10menwontheleague on Sept 23, 2010 20:50:57 GMT
i would give hooper and stokes a run of games together.If these 2 could build a decent partnership then they would give Weir a torrid time in a months time.Our strikers have got to start scoring in the league because take away the penalties its been mostly our midfielders who have been scoring,something i thought I wouldn't be saying after the last few seasons when our central midfielders couldn't score.
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Post by themoch on Sept 23, 2010 21:23:37 GMT
See I don't think it's just his finishing, I think it's his basic decision making. He seems to go for the negative option and is often unaware of what's going on around him, or doesn't care. He is one of those players who, to me, is better when he doesn't have a lot of thinking time. His third goal last night was actually OK. He lost the ball but then when it broke free he reacted quickly. When he is given time to think he makes it too complicated or just passes back into the midfield. If he is not doing that he is running into 3 defenders, or square across the park. You rarely see a telling ball from him, and like I said earlier he gives nothing at all defensively. He is a squad player, similar to McCourt. He may come on if we are ahead and want to rest football players, or need to try something different. However I'm not sure when a headless Greek chicken who runs like a lassie would be an alternative I would want to go for. He scored 3 last night, rattled the bar, came off with 15 mins to go and some people will still find faults in his play, Juarez put one over the bar from 3 yards last night!!!..Okay he's not the greatest finisher in the planet but at times he's unplayable, He can be frustrating but i honestly feel that he's our most dangerous player. CC , small point but Jaurez did't put one over the bar from 3 yards (or worse going by a couple of reports i read), the defender deflected it over otherwise it was going in ........ oh ,and i for one or indeed most of the people round me werent standing giving the greek an ovation when he went off . applauded yes but no standing ovation .
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Post by gerry on Sept 23, 2010 21:25:30 GMT
i would give hooper and stokes a run of games together.If these 2 could build a decent partnership then they would give Weir a torrid time in a months time.Our strikers have got to start scoring in the league because take away the penalties its been mostly our midfielders who have been scoring,something i thought I wouldn't be saying after the last few seasons when our central midfielders couldn't score. I quite like goals from throughout the team, it covers you for lack of form and injury. However I agree with you, the sooner we can get a good striking partnership working the better. Football teams should operate as units, it's a synergy thing.
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Post by gerry on Sept 23, 2010 21:26:40 GMT
i would give hooper and stokes a run of games together.If these 2 could build a decent partnership then they would give Weir a torrid time in a months time.Our strikers have got to start scoring in the league because take away the penalties its been mostly our midfielders who have been scoring,something i thought I wouldn't be saying after the last few seasons when our central midfielders couldn't score. I quite like goals from throughout the team, it covers you for lack of form and injury. However I agree with you, the sooner we can get a good striking partnership working the better. Football teams should operate as units, it's a synergy thing. I thought it was deflected over as well, should have been a corner.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 23, 2010 21:29:52 GMT
He scored 3 last night, rattled the bar, came off with 15 mins to go and some people will still find faults in his play, Juarez put one over the bar from 3 yards last night!!!..Okay he's not the greatest finisher in the planet but at times he's unplayable, He can be frustrating but i honestly feel that he's our most dangerous player. CC , small point but Jaurez did't put one over the bar from 3 yards (or worse going by a couple of reports i read), the defender deflected it over otherwise it was going in ........ oh ,and i for one or indeed most of the people round me werent standing giving the greek an ovation when he went off . applauded yes but no standing ovation . Where he was sitting they all stood up, as did the main stand.
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