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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 15, 2010 19:42:37 GMT
If you go back and read my posts i said that Watty missed an opportunity of winning here and blew it.(match thread posts)
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Post by gemster on Sept 15, 2010 20:10:26 GMT
if wattie complaining what about league of Ireland champions position having to qualify champions league for champions not teams that finish 2nd 3rd 4th in their respective leagues all because of co-efficient points progress into group stages proper
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 20:32:19 GMT
If you go back and read my posts i said that Watty missed an opportunity of winning here and blew it.(match thread posts) He had the chance, when he saw that team, to beat Manchester Utd at Old Trafford and he didn't have the spine to go for it. Even in a half hearted way. He still played 2 banks of 5 and still told his team to defend at all costs. Teams like Manchester Utd and Milan put proper teams out against us and we still tried to play them. The huns had the chance to get a historic victory (for them) and huddled in the corner like craven cowards. The man is a traitor for what he did to his country and a coward for the way he plays football, even at home. Edit - And these people have the audacity to mention his name in the same breath as Jock Stein.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 20:45:52 GMT
If you go back and read my posts i said that Watty missed an opportunity of winning here and blew it.(match thread posts) He had the chance, when he saw that team, to beat Manchester Utd at Old Trafford and he didn't have the spine to go for it. Even in a half hearted way. He still played 2 banks of 5 and still told his team to defend at all costs. Teams like Manchester Utd and Milan put proper teams out against us and we still tried to play them. The huns had the chance to get a historic victory (for them) and huddled in the corner like craven cowards. The man is a traitor for what he did to his country and a coward for the way he plays football, even at home. Edit - And these people have the audacity to mention his name in the same breath as Jock Stein. Very well put Jim. When you look at it that way it is absolutely spot on what you say.
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Post by kingkong on Sept 15, 2010 20:55:54 GMT
After taking time out from that dire excuse for a football match last night we have come to the conclusion that walter smith can only play one style of football...one up front the rest behind the ball...surely it,s about time other clubs spoke about them "RUINING" football games.. Anti-Football at it,s best... .... the words cut-up sprang to mind after the game...
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 21:05:41 GMT
had Rangers opened up though they might of been torn apart. If I was a rangers fan I would prefer nil nil at Manchester than a 4 or 5 goal defeat.
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 21:14:27 GMT
had Rangers opened up though they might of been torn apart. If I was a rangers fan I would prefer nil nil at Manchester than a 4 or 5 goal defeat. If he had played the full 11 I would accept that as a point of view and would even consider giving them credit for a good defensive performance. However that was nowhere near that. To stick to the same tactics under the circumstances was absolutely disgraceful. The reality is that they are hoping for third place and getting into the Europa. If they had tried even a bit last night then qualifying would have been a reality. To beat your main opposition, away from home, in the first leg would have been quality. As it is he scraped a dire 0-0 against a group which had no right being called a Man Utd team. Is that the risk free football you would want. He had every chance of winning that game last night, under the circumstances, and refused it because he is spineless.
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Post by kingkong on Sept 15, 2010 21:16:21 GMT
had Rangers opened up though they might of been torn apart. If I was a rangers fan I would prefer nil nil at Manchester than a 4 or 5 goal defeat. . the point i made at work today was "are they happy with that style of football"...my god it,s hard work even watching it...thing is they can only play one style wether it,s europe or league cup....watch on the 24th oct the very same tactics....boring,negative and shameful....tbh the scum are welcome to it....
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 21:26:24 GMT
had Rangers opened up though they might of been torn apart. If I was a rangers fan I would prefer nil nil at Manchester than a 4 or 5 goal defeat. If he had played the full 11 I would accept that as a point of view and would even consider giving them credit for a good defensive performance. However that was nowhere near that. To stick to the same tactics under the circumstances was absolutely disgraceful. The reality is that they are hoping for third place and getting into the Europa. If they had tried even a bit last night then qualifying would have been a reality. To beat your main opposition, away from home, in the first leg would have been quality. As it is he scraped a dire 0-0 against a group which had no right being called a Man Utd team. Is that the risk free football you would want. He had every chance of winning that game last night, under the circumstances, and refused it because he is spineless. Jim you have to remember Rooney was playing and he cost £30m as was ferdinand who cost around £25-28m. The lad who broke his ankle was signed for £25m from Wigan and Smalling cost £10m from Fulham as did Hernandez. This is not a reserve side by any manner of means. We both know how serious Sir Alex, or Lex as you called him, takes this competition. He, like all other managers, has to name a pool of 25 players. He ain't going to put reserves in there. He is putting people in he thinks can do a job for Manchester United.
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Post by deerin1916 on Sept 15, 2010 21:32:31 GMT
no matter how you look at it, goin to old trafford in the cl and comin away with a point is a good result by anyones standard, hil hail
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 15, 2010 21:35:58 GMT
had Rangers opened up though they might of been torn apart. If I was a rangers fan I would prefer nil nil at Manchester than a 4 or 5 goal defeat. . the point i made at work today was "are they happy with that style of football"...my god it,s hard work even watching it.. .thing is they can only play one style wether it,s europe or league cup....watch on the 24th oct the very same tactics....boring,negative and shameful....tbh the scum are welcome to it.... Thats how they struggle at home!..they try to attack and get found out.
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 21:37:50 GMT
If he had played the full 11 I would accept that as a point of view and would even consider giving them credit for a good defensive performance. However that was nowhere near that. To stick to the same tactics under the circumstances was absolutely disgraceful. The reality is that they are hoping for third place and getting into the Europa. If they had tried even a bit last night then qualifying would have been a reality. To beat your main opposition, away from home, in the first leg would have been quality. As it is he scraped a dire 0-0 against a group which had no right being called a Man Utd team. Is that the risk free football you would want. He had every chance of winning that game last night, under the circumstances, and refused it because he is spineless. Jim you have to remember Rooney was playing and he cost £30m as was ferdinand who cost around £25-28m. The lad who broke his ankle was signed for £25m from Wigan and Smalling cost £10m from Fulham as did Hernandez. This is not a reserve side by any manner of means. We both know how serious Sir Alex, or Lex as you called him, takes this competition. He, like all other managers, has to name a pool of 25 players. He ain't going to put reserves in there. He is putting people in he thinks can do a job for Manchester United. Yes but Ferdinand hasn't played for ages and smalling is reasonably new to the club. That's not my point though. As I've said many times here I'm a huge fan of the concept of a team. Football is a team game and is not about disparate players all kicking in the same direction. That's why we have problems trying to qualify in Europe. Teams from other countries are often weeks ahead of us in their season, meaning they are playing as a team when we are not. I honestly think that is the most important factor in any team sport. How good is the unit and how does it play together. That was not a Man Utd team in my opinion. For the most part it was a group of individuals.
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 21:38:43 GMT
. the point i made at work today was "are they happy with that style of football"...my god it,s hard work even watching it.. .thing is they can only play one style wether it,s europe or league cup....watch on the 24th oct the very same tactics....boring,negative and shameful....tbh the scum are welcome to it.... Thats how they struggle at home!..they try to attack and get found out. Exactly, that's why they were horsed at home last year, they tried to play and couldn't do it.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 21:39:05 GMT
. the point i made at work today was "are they happy with that style of football"...my god it,s hard work even watching it.. .thing is they can only play one style wether it,s europe or league cup....watch on the 24th oct the very same tactics....boring,negative and shameful....tbh the scum are welcome to it.... Thats how they struggle at home!..they try to attack and get found out. Absolutely Davie. Manchester United will pump them at Ibrox.
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 21:41:24 GMT
no matter how you look at it, goin to old trafford in the cl and comin away with a point is a good result by anyones standard, hil hail Under the circumstances I think it was an acceptable result, not a good one. Just because they were in Old Trafford wearing the strip does not make them a Man Utd team. Was it a Celtic team that played in the Jock Stein Friendship Cup. Actually it was probably more of a "team" than Sir Fuming put out last night.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 21:41:36 GMT
Jim you have to remember Rooney was playing and he cost £30m as was ferdinand who cost around £25-28m. The lad who broke his ankle was signed for £25m from Wigan and Smalling cost £10m from Fulham as did Hernandez. This is not a reserve side by any manner of means. We both know how serious Sir Alex, or Lex as you called him, takes this competition. He, like all other managers, has to name a pool of 25 players. He ain't going to put reserves in there. He is putting people in he thinks can do a job for Manchester United. Yes but Ferdinand hasn't played for ages and smalling is reasonably new to the club. That's not my point though. As I've said many times here I'm a huge fan of the concept of a team. Football is a team game and is not about disparate players all kicking in the same direction. That's why we have problems trying to qualify in Europe. Teams from other countries are often weeks ahead of us in their season, meaning they are playing as a team when we are not. I honestly think that is the most important factor in any team sport. How good is the unit and how does it play together. That was not a Man Utd team in my opinion. For the most part it was a group of individuals. I understand your point Jim and, to an extent, agree with it. It is a group of talented individuals though who cost a damn site more money to assemble than the Rangers team did.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 21:42:30 GMT
no matter how you look at it, goin to old trafford in the cl and comin away with a point is a good result by anyones standard, hil hail Under the circumstances I think it was an acceptable result, not a good one. Just because they were in Old Trafford wearing the strip does not make them a Man Utd team. Was it a Celtic team that played in the Jock Stein Friendship Cup. Actually it was probably more of a "team" than Sir Fuming put out last night. Sir Fuming
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 21:44:08 GMT
Yes but Ferdinand hasn't played for ages and smalling is reasonably new to the club. That's not my point though. As I've said many times here I'm a huge fan of the concept of a team. Football is a team game and is not about disparate players all kicking in the same direction. That's why we have problems trying to qualify in Europe. Teams from other countries are often weeks ahead of us in their season, meaning they are playing as a team when we are not. I honestly think that is the most important factor in any team sport. How good is the unit and how does it play together. That was not a Man Utd team in my opinion. For the most part it was a group of individuals. I understand your point Jim and, to an extent, agree with it. It is a group of talented individuals though who cost a damn site more money to assemble than the Rangers team did. Which takes us back nicely to the point. Maybe teamwork and tactics can overcome money. However that's only if the money is used without teamwork and tactics to go with it. A real Man Utd team would have both of them.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 15, 2010 21:49:48 GMT
The sad thing about 'THE WEAKENED MAN UTD TEAM' is not one of them are valued at under £8m..and i would say that Ran***s worse player(broadfoot) would be valued at around £500.000.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 21:50:36 GMT
I understand your point Jim and, to an extent, agree with it. It is a group of talented individuals though who cost a damn site more money to assemble than the Rangers team did. Which takes us back nicely to the point. Maybe teamwork and tactics can overcome money. However that's only if the money is used without teamwork and tactics to go with it. A real Man Utd team would have both of them. I take that point Jim but, in fairness, guys like Rooney never turned up last night. I never seen the game but apparently neither keeper had a save to make. I am not sure what way to take that.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 21:52:45 GMT
The sad thing about 'THE WEAKENED MAN UTD TEAM' is not one of them are valued at under £8m..and i would say that Ran***s worse player(broadfoot) would be valued at around £500.000. Exactly my point Davie. They train together every day also. Sir Alex ain't going to just stick 11 guys on the park that don't have instructions or any idea how to play football.
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 21:58:45 GMT
We train together every day in pre-season. Do we start the league as good as we are going to get, or do we improve over a few weeks as players get match fit and used to working together as a unit, in competitive games.
Maybe I just think the whole "first team" thing is more important than other people do. I seriously see it as one of the most important things in a successful football team. I am rather old though, that's the way we did it back in the day.
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Post by deerin1916 on Sept 15, 2010 21:59:00 GMT
they are hardly a team of individuals, they train together every day many for a few years, there was enough talent in what was fielded to beat 3rd and 4th pot teams all day long, was just that the orcs defended well, maybe it is borin but its sadly brought them sucess, hail hail
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 22:02:21 GMT
What success has it brought them in Europe. They got a point in their first game (away) last year as well. Against Stuttgart if I remember right. They got one more point and were fourth in their group, with the lowest points ever if I remember right. They got embarrassed at their own ground on a couple of occasions. That's not really success in my view.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 15, 2010 22:03:41 GMT
Apart from Rooney and Fletcher it was a team of fringe players..
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 22:04:45 GMT
We train together every day in pre-season. Do we start the league as good as we are going to get, or do we improve over a few weeks as players get match fit and used to working together as a unit, in competitive games. Maybe I just think the whole "first team" thing is more important than other people do. I seriously see it as one of the most important things in a successful football team. I am rather old though, that's the way we did it back in the day. I take your point Jim but, to be fair, this is 2010 not the pre second world war years mate.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 22:06:21 GMT
What success has it brought them in Europe. They got a point in their first game (away) last year as well. Against Stuttgart if I remember right. They got one more point and were fourth in their group, with the lowest points ever if I remember right. They got embarrassed at their own ground on a couple of occasions. That's not really success in my view. Want a bet on that? That is success from my point of view.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 15, 2010 22:07:06 GMT
Apart from Rooney and Fletcher it was a team of fringe players.. Wasn't the England national team captain playing also?
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 22:09:34 GMT
We train together every day in pre-season. Do we start the league as good as we are going to get, or do we improve over a few weeks as players get match fit and used to working together as a unit, in competitive games. Maybe I just think the whole "first team" thing is more important than other people do. I seriously see it as one of the most important things in a successful football team. I am rather old though, that's the way we did it back in the day. I take your point Jim but, to be fair, this is 2010 not the pre second world war years mate. Benitez was a great proponent of the squad system if memory serves. Sorry but I really do go with having a core to the team that only changes if it has to. I'm not including the league cup or whatever, but for the league and Europe the starting core of the team should be there if available.
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Post by gerry on Sept 15, 2010 22:11:05 GMT
Apart from Rooney and Fletcher it was a team of fringe players.. Wasn't the England national team captain playing also? When was the last time he kicked a ball in anger. Long before the World Cup. Or do you really genuinely think a player can just come back and be on top form. I don't. He was there to get a run out in what Sir Furious thought of as a nothing game.
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