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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 8, 2010 14:30:01 GMT
Brought to you by our very own dedicated youtube page at www.youtube.com/user/HailHailMonTheHoopsCeltic v Racing Club, Intercontinental Cup, 1967.
"THIS IS WAR - The Battle of Montevideo"
Described by Reuters at the time as "a bar-room brawl with soccer skills abandoned for swinging fists, flying boots and blatant body checking"
This Celtic TV production looks back through the eyes of the Celtic players involved in the World Club Final games in South America.
Programme is in three parts, parts 2 and 3 will follow soon.
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Post by Sassenach on Sept 8, 2010 14:38:09 GMT
Remember watching the game with my mouth open, not believing what I was seeing
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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 8, 2010 14:41:47 GMT
Part Two
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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 8, 2010 14:44:14 GMT
Part Three
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Post by honeybhoy on Sept 8, 2010 15:07:45 GMT
Thanks Mick. I've tweeted about part one.
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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 8, 2010 17:20:35 GMT
Cheers, Honeybhoy, Hail Hail!
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 8, 2010 18:17:53 GMT
this picture says it all.
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Post by dan3 on Sept 8, 2010 18:19:44 GMT
It was shamefull plain and simple,feck that dosnt cover it
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 8, 2010 18:23:09 GMT
note the boxing gloves,
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 8, 2010 18:35:18 GMT
Jock Stein - Why no Knighthood? JOCK STEIN, the legendary Celtic manager, was denied a knighthood because of violent play by his team, newly declassified documents have revealed.
Government files dispel the myth that Stein was refused an honour because “he was not the right sort”. Rather, Harold Wilson feared the award would give the impression his government condoned the behaviour of Celtic players who took part in a game remembered as one of the most shameful episodes in Scottish football history.
The documents were not due to have been opened to the public until 2030, but were released following an appeal to the Scottish Freedom of Information Commissioner by The Sunday Times. They include detailed correspondence between government departments, which reveal that the failure to honour Stein, who was the first British club manager to win the European Cup in 1967, was more to do with civil service foot-dragging rather than a deliberate snub.
They reveal that Willie Ross, the Scottish Secretary, lobbied hard to have the Celtic manager knighted and that he believed it was anti-Scottish, rather than class, bias that denied Stein the honour. By the time Whitehall officials accepted Stein should be recognised, Celtic had taken part in a notoriously violent world club championship tie against Racing Club of Argentina in which four of their players were sent off for violent conduct, and their recommendations were rebuffed by Wilson.
The suggestion of a knighthood for Stein was first raised by Scottish Office officials on May 3, 1967, three weeks before Celtic beat Internazionale in Lisbon to lift Europe’s premier club trophy. However, officials regarded it as too high an honour for a club manager. The only other football manager to be knighted then was Alf Ramsey after England’s World Cup triumph.
It was suggested instead by Sir John Lang, the government’s main adviser on honours for sporting figures, that Stein should receive an OBE and that a knighthood should go to Robert Kelly, the Celtic chairman, who was also vice-president of the Scottish Football Association and a board member of the International Football Board, the precursor to Fifa.
Sir Douglas Haddow, Permanent Under-Secretary of State at the Scottish Office, wrote back making clear that Ross would not countenance such a move.
“We would regard an OBE as quite inappropriate. Mr Stein is admittedly the manager of an individual football club but it is a club that has achieved something entirely without precedent in Great Britain,” he wrote.
“No doubt Mr Robert Kelly has also got considerable claims to recognition but we do not agree that the work he has done is far more impressive than the work done by Mr Stein. Our view is that Mr Kelly can wait and we should not be greatly concerned if he has to wait for considerably longer than one or two years.”
When, the following year, Matt Busby, was knighted after winning the European Cup with Manchester United, Lang wrote to Haddow describing the award as a “painful surprise”. William Weatherston, a Scottish Office civil servant, rejected claims that knighting Stein was condoning the bad behaviour of Celtic players.
During the bad-tempered game, which subsequently became known as the Battle of the River Plate, four Celtic players - Bobby Lennox, Jimmy Johnstone, John Hughes and Bertie Auld - were sent off.
Weatherston pointed out that Ramsey was knighted despite having “consistently included in his team players who are known to use doubtful tactics - only a few days ago an English player was sent off for kicking an opponent”.
Busby was described as manager of a team “with a long record of disciplinary offences”. Unlike Celtic, Manchester United had not made a habit of taking action themselves against players guilty of offences on the field.
Weatherson said it was “important that recognition is given where it is deserved and that Scottish claims should not seem to be less well treated than those in England”.
When Celtic reached the final of the European Cup for a second time, in 1970, Ross wrote to Wilson warning there was a growing, and damaging perception of anti-Scottish bias growing north of the border.
“There is, I find, a good deal of dissatisfaction, in Scotland over what is regarded as an undue proportion of honours for professional football going south of the border. Scottish teams are proving themselves fully the equal of English clubs,” he said. “When England won the World Cup in 1966 there was a very natural group of awards, including Ramsey’s knighthood. But when Glasgow Celtic became the first British club to win the European Cup in 1967, we failed to recognise this by an honour for Mr Stein to whom, as manager, a great deal of the credit was due. His name was, I understand, removed from the New Year’s List at a late stage because of the unfortunate events in South America when, as holders of the European Cup, Celtic played an Argentine team in a match marred by misbehaviour on the field.”
However, Ross warned Wilson: “If Celtic win the European Cup for a second time on 6 May, I really do not see how we can avoid an award to Stein.”
Stein was finally awarded a CBE in recognition of his service to football. He collapsed and died at Ninian Park in Cardiff, aged 62 just after Scotland had beaten Wales in 1985 to qualify for the 1986 World Cup.
(S Times Jun 2007)
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Post by Sassenach on Sept 8, 2010 18:45:26 GMT
Thanks for that Davie, it still makes me angry. It is not just anti- scottish bias, if it had been Rangers I am convinced a knighthood for the manager would have been a given
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 8, 2010 18:46:58 GMT
Thanks for that Davie, it still makes me angry. It is not just anti- scottish bias, if it had been Rangers I am convinced a knighthood for the manager would have been a given without a doubt.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 8, 2010 19:36:15 GMT
Thanks Mick. Just sat and watched all three. They were some mob Racing Club. Had it been my choice I would of flown home after the game in Argentina and told them to stick it.
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Post by greenstatus on Sept 8, 2010 20:53:18 GMT
Thanks Mick. Just sat and watched all three. They were some mob Racing Club. Had it been my choice I would of flown home after the game in Argentina and told them to stick it. That was the majority opinion of the fans back home also, it was the board that insisted that the third game went ahead.
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Post by honeybhoy on Sept 8, 2010 21:32:18 GMT
Thanks Mick. Just sat and watched all three. They were some mob Racing Club. Had it been my choice I would of flown home after the game in Argentina and told them to stick it. ...it was the board that insisted that the third game went ahead. That's revolting to think about.
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Post by kylebhoy on Sept 9, 2010 13:29:54 GMT
what was the final score
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Post by mikbhoy on Sept 9, 2010 14:11:42 GMT
First leg we beat them 1-0 at Hampden
2nd leg we lost 2-1 at their home ground in Argentina.
Away goals didn't count double at that time so it went to a playoff in neutral Uruguay.
The third game was when it all erupted. Racing won 1-0.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 9, 2010 14:13:39 GMT
That was the majority opinion of the fans back home also, it was the board that insisted that the third game went ahead. Going by watching the clips it was Jock Stein that insisted the 3rd game be played.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 9, 2010 23:53:24 GMT
At the end of the 3 games the players just gave in, they were getting spat on and pushed all over the place, Sir Alf Ramsay was right when he called them animals.
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Post by tictoc on Sept 10, 2010 10:04:50 GMT
Before the start of the 3rd game the Celtic keeper was knocked unconcious by some kind of missile thrown at him in the warm up.Had to be replaced.That incident alone should have had Celtic refusing to take any further part,but I remember reports at the time,that the board wanted the money,I think at the time the figure quoted was £100,000,so played on.There had been widespread calls for Celtic not to play the 3rd game.I remember the build up to it seemingly being filled with menace and foreboding.Not all Celtics fault,we were badly let down by the governing bodies at the time who had witnessed the sheer thuggery of the Racing players in the first 2 games.Very similar to the lack of justice we were to recieve in the future,Atletico Madrid,and Rapid being examples.The saddest part was that the best team in the world at the time were denied the accolade.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 10, 2010 11:57:45 GMT
Before the start of the 3rd game the Celtic keeper was knocked unconcious by some kind of missile thrown at him in the warm up.Had to be replaced.That incident alone should have had Celtic refusing to take any further part,but I remember reports at the time,that the board wanted the money,I think at the time the figure quoted was £100,000,so played on.There had been widespread calls for Celtic not to play the 3rd game.I remember the build up to it seemingly being filled with menace and foreboding.Not all Celtics fault,we were badly let down by the governing bodies at the time who had witnessed the sheer thuggery of the Racing players in the first 2 games.Very similar to the lack of justice we were to recieve in the future,Atletico Madrid,and Rapid being examples.The saddest part was that the best team in the world at the time were denied the accolade. Your wrong, If you had watched the clips it was Jock Stein who wanted to play the 3rd game, the board did not want to play it, money was not involved in it at all.
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