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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 3, 2010 21:13:28 GMT
opened 3 years and we are now beginning to see the kids come into fruition. forrest will be the 1st of many youngsters i feel will be playing in the 1st team in the next 10 years..the youngsters won the double last season and have won their 1st 2 games this season scoring 11 goals and conceding none..philip twardzik and keating are the ones to look out for.
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Post by dan3 on Sept 3, 2010 21:22:01 GMT
Some good looking talent floating around lennoxtown C.C and given the shortage of real spending cash i think it will prove to be a god send
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Post by kingkong on Sept 3, 2010 21:28:59 GMT
Some good looking talent floating around lennoxtown C.C and given the shortage of real spending cash i think it will prove to be a god send as we all know the old firm fans are the most fickle fans in the world,we want success today/right now....unfortunatelly so but that is the way it is...
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Post by thatstheteamforme on Sept 3, 2010 21:31:24 GMT
the future`s bright the future`s green and white. would have like to have seen young charlie grant make it but i think injurys put paid to that......shame.
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Post by Seanybhoy1888 on Sept 3, 2010 21:33:33 GMT
I am hopeful that the kids will be our future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 9:32:09 GMT
were there not plans to have accomodation for youngsters at Lennoxtown combined with schooling ?
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Post by kylebhoy on Sept 4, 2010 15:33:49 GMT
i heard the same as bry turning into accomodation with schooling
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 4, 2010 15:36:01 GMT
the future`s bright the future`s green and white. would have like to have seen young charlie grant make it but i think injurys put paid to that......shame. charlie grant has signed for dundee.
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Post by oldgregg on Sept 4, 2010 15:47:06 GMT
Not sure Accommodation & Schooling was ever a good idea there tbh. Certainly partial schooling, but aren't we restricted with planning, etc on extending the site?
There must be a better, more suitable choice for a youth Academy full-time base? Let's face it. We all like kids... I went to School with some. But are Professional footballers gonna want to constantly have loads of them running around their base. The Lennoxtown site isn't that big.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 15:58:28 GMT
Not sure Accommodation & Schooling was ever a good idea there tbh. Certainly partial schooling, but aren't we restricted with planning, etc on extending the site? There must be a better, more suitable choice for a youth Academy full-time base? Let's face it. We all like kids... I went to School with some. But are Professional footballers gonna want to constantly have loads of them running around their base. The Lennoxtown site isn't that big. I Found an article on Lennoxtown, there is a mention of Dormitorys & plans for future development. maybe even for selling on at a profit ? Lennoxtown will let Celts match elite off pitch, as well as on it By STEPHEN McGOWAN Last updated at 10:04 10 October 2007 * Comments (0) * Add to My Stories When Gordon Strachan first learned of Celtic's plans to build their field of dreams, he responded in characteristic fashion. "Peter Lawwell said it would take two years to get the training ground built," said the Parkhead manager with a smile yesterday. "I just said: 'That's all very well and good, but I could be sacked before I get to see it'." Two championships, one CIS Cup, a Scottish Cup and two Champions League campaigns later, Strachan has lived to see the day. Stephen McManus, Strachan and Lawwell A new dawn: Stephen McManus, Strachan and Lawwell hold the tape, while chairman Brian Quinn cuts it, to officially open Celtic's new training complex at Lennoxtown (below) Through the low clouds surrounding the Campsie Fells yesterday, visibility remained poor. But there was enough daylight around a sodden Lennoxtown to ascertain one thing. In their new £8million training centre and youth academy, Celtic have bought themselves the real deal. As a result, decades of protecting new signings from the tattered and frayed carpets in a Barrowfield portacabin have finally come to a halt. That the likes of Henrik Larsson ever had to drag the muck and glaur of Barrowfield into their top-of-the-range cars before battling through a throng of autograph hunters to reach the sanctity of a hot shower after training had long since become an embarrassment to the club. And yet, as Martin O'Neill was wont to say, what was good enough for Jock Stein was good enough for him. "Barrowfield was quaint in its way, in that we'd get there from Celtic Park," said Strachan yesterday. "The only thing missing now is that connection between the fans and the players who'd see each other every day at Celtic Park. I think we somehow have to make sure we don't lose that connection. "Personally, I'll not miss bumping into wedding receptions when I'm trying to speak to the players, or people on the tour when I'm face to face with the players. "I'll definitely not miss that - there is a privacy here at Lennoxtown which I've not had before. Now I can wholly concentrate on football. "At Celtic Park, there was a lot of business talk, things I don't care about. Like where did I want to sit on the flight to Moscow? I don't care, just get me on the plane. I don't want involved in those types of things, I just want the football part of it." On that score, the manager will be content in his surroundings. After securing NHS land adjacent to the old Lennox Castle Hospital 18 miles outside Glasgow city centre, the champions travelled the length of Europe assessing facilities other top clubs have long since taken for granted. A 46-acre site incorporates indoor and outdoor pitches, grass and artificial surfaces, and state-of-the-art medical and sports injury recovery facilities. Towards the old hospital, Celtic have also acquired SPARE LAND with a view to building conference facilities and LIVE IN DORMITORY AREAS areas for YOUNG PLAYERS. Like Milan's Milanello, a plan to house first-team players prior to big games cannot be ruled out entirely. For now, Barrowfield remains a transitional base for the club's youth players. With the regeneration of the east end of Glasgow taking shape ahead of an anticipated Commonwealth Games event in 2014, however, few doubt that the club will eventually offset at least some of the cost of the new complex by selling the land to developers. Celtic Training Centre at Lennoxtown Complicating the issue is the old Celtic Supporters Association HQ at the front of the training pitches, owned independently by the fans. In the Kenny Dalglish era, the building proved a useful base for his press conferences. Generally, though, Barrowfield must have been akin to a vision of hell for the di Canios, Larssons and Roy Keanes of this world. Yet chief executive Peter Lawwell insists: "We weren't embarrassed by Barrowfield. We developed a record of players coming through there which was very good. That's due to the coaching, the structures and the people around that. "The best example is at the San Siro last year when we narrowly went out of the Champions League with a side which contained four home-grown players. So Barrowfield wasn't an embarrassment - it just wasn't the future. "When any player comes and talks to Celtic, we really want to show the ambition we have for the club and the development. This neatly fits into that. "I think the club has needed it for a number of years. It makes a statement - it shows where we want to be as a club. "We're in a good place at the moment but we can't be complacent. We had a tough, tough game against AC Milan and then we had a tough, tough game to beat Gretna. You're only as good as your last game but there is an infrastructure and a foundation that I think bodes well for the future." Yesterday, Celtic invited their staff, selected supporters' representatives and members of the Lennoxtown community to look at the new edifice. For head of youth development Tommy Burns, in particular, it represents a sight for sore eyes. "Tommy had been around looking at academies in the UK and abroad," added Lawwell. "There are models we tried to take bits from and put together. Martin was involved in the beginning and then Gordon and his coaches, so there has been a huge consultation process." Not least with the locals who stand to gain employment and a boost to the local community from Celtic's presence. For all concerned, Lennoxtown represents a win-win scenario. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-486773/Lennoxtown-let-Celts-match-elite-pitch-it.html#ixzz0yZp7O8Ff
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Post by liam on Sept 4, 2010 16:01:11 GMT
It really is the way forward. Pick the right youngsters and give them the proper coaching, supported by the right diet and a good sports science infrastructure. That way you not only develop your own players you also produce talent you can sell at a profit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 16:05:37 GMT
It really is the way forward. Pick the right youngsters and give them the proper coaching, supported by the right diet and a good sports science infrastructure. That way you not only develop your own players you also produce talent you can sell at a profit. Totally agree jim, the Dormitory's are bein based on Milan's according to that article ? far more professional IMO Seems like Celtic are waiting on the correct moment to sell Barrowfield & the supporters club for the highest amount.
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Post by oldgregg on Sept 4, 2010 16:39:04 GMT
If that's indeed right, don't you find it opportunist and perhaps not the right thing to do?
We're not AC Milan, we don't have their huge spending power, never will. Our Youth structure can be read both ways over the last decade... 'Innovative and Modernistic' or 'Archaic' and 'Well, if it was good enough for Jock Stein'
The simple facts are that we're not producing the players we should be... So many nearly rans... No dis-respect to the Bhoys who didn't make it of course.
When we sell Barrowfield then in my eyes it'd be nice to see a big lump of that loot spent on a separate entity for our Youth. They could make a hell of a youth facility with half of that money. That's looking big in my eyes..
Lump them up at Lennoxtown? Nah, that's cashing in, and we're sick of that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 19:26:45 GMT
opened 3 years and we are now beginning to see the kids come into fruition. forrest will be the 1st of many youngsters i feel will be playing in the 1st team in the next 10 years..the youngsters won the double last season and have won their 1st 2 games this season scoring 11 goals and conceding none..philip twardzik and keating are the ones to look out for. Does that 11-0 score not also reflect that the rest of scottish football youth is going backwards, or does it mean Celtic are going forwards? Also why can teams like Hibs do it consistently (bring through the youth talent) surely it matters just as much to have the correct staff as it does the facilities?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 19:29:34 GMT
What about the talent of the 60s and 70s when there was no such thing as sports science or the right food?
Surely raw talent has a lot to do with t also?
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Post by thatstheteamforme on Sept 4, 2010 19:31:14 GMT
is it dundee he went to cc right enough? the last i heard was that motherwell where looking to take him from us. anyways i thought the bhoy looked promising as lenny said himself on ocasion
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Post by liam on Sept 4, 2010 19:37:44 GMT
opened 3 years and we are now beginning to see the kids come into fruition. forrest will be the 1st of many youngsters i feel will be playing in the 1st team in the next 10 years..the youngsters won the double last season and have won their 1st 2 games this season scoring 11 goals and conceding none..philip twardzik and keating are the ones to look out for. Does that 11-0 score not also reflect that the rest of scottish football youth is going backwards, or does it mean Celtic are going forwards? Also why can teams like Hibs do it consistently (bring through the youth talent) surely it matters just as much to have the correct staff as it does the facilities? John Park set up the Hibs youth system
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 19:41:56 GMT
I know, thanks.
I also see the point you are making, rumours are that JP also has a big say in the selection of the Celtic team?
JP relies on a lot of staff and support, the point I am trying to make is that Lennoxtown is no the be all and end all of a succesful youth policy. Surely the Mints Murray Park kingdom is evidence of this.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 4, 2010 19:48:27 GMT
opened 3 years and we are now beginning to see the kids come into fruition. forrest will be the 1st of many youngsters i feel will be playing in the 1st team in the next 10 years..the youngsters won the double last season and have won their 1st 2 games this season scoring 11 goals and conceding none..philip twardzik and keating are the ones to look out for. Does that 11-0 score not also reflect that the rest of scottish football youth is going backwards, or does it mean Celtic are going forwards? Also why can teams like Hibs do it consistently (bring through the youth talent) surely it matters just as much to have the correct staff as it does the facilities? it was 8-0 and 3-0, we beat hamilton 8-0, hamilton were said to have one of the best youth systems in scotland.mccarthy and mcarthur just 2 of the lads they have brought through in recent years.i would say celtic are going forward because we are bringing in players from all over europe and most teams apart from the huns are bringing in home grown talent.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 4, 2010 19:51:09 GMT
What about the talent of the 60s and 70s when there was no such thing as sports science or the right food? Surely raw talent has a lot to do with t also? everybody played football back in those days, no computers and 3 or 4 telly channels, when we came home from school it was play football or watch crossroads,,only one winner there.
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 4, 2010 19:56:05 GMT
John Park set up the Hibs youth system hibs can afford to play youngsters, they will never win the league and the best they hope for is the top 6,they have not won the scottish cup for 108 years so in reality they are playing for a chance to win the league cup..the celtic fans wont allow a youngster to settle down unless he was exeptional, philip twardzik got slagged by a few when he was tried at left back earlier this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 20:00:17 GMT
Aye I agree, as I was one of them, but I did have an Atari But look around you in Glasgow and of course Clydebank; the local set-ups are well managed, well coached and well operated. In Govan (were I hail) there is both Harmony Row and Park Villa, they go from 4 years to 18 years. They have hundreds of young boys and girls either going down to Elderpark (PV) of Braehead (HR) with the coaches all volunteers etc, also with great support from the parents. Its not all doom and gloom and weans sitting glued to tellys or oot creating mischief; both the outfits I mentioned are more tha capable of matching both Celtic and r@nkers at these age levels. My son was part of a PV team that went to Minty park and beat the r@nkers U11s 3-1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 20:13:50 GMT
What about the talent of the 60s and 70s when there was no such thing as sports science or the right food? Surely raw talent has a lot to do with t also? everybody played football back in those days, no computers and 3 or 4 telly channels, when we came home from school it was play football or watch crossroads,,only one winner there. What you have said is a major factor davie, but there seems to be a lack of love/interest in the game, the passion has been lost, i partially blame that on coaches for bringing boys through that dont have the talent in the first place. The best footballers 9 times out of 10 are the smallest boys & that has nearly always been the case. unfortunately bein Small is seen as a negative thing, regardless of the natural skill / ability the boys have, they dont make it & become disillusioned and chuck the game.
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Post by greenstatus on Sept 5, 2010 1:23:11 GMT
everybody played football back in those days, no computers and 3 or 4 telly channels, when we came home from school it was play football or watch crossroads,,only one winner there. What you have said is a major factor davie, but there seems to be a lack of love/interest in the game, the passion has been lost, i partially blame that on coaches for bringing boys through that dont have the talent in the first place. The best footballers 9 times out of 10 are the smallest boys & that has nearly always been the case. unfortunately bein Small is seen as a negative thing, regardless of the natural skill / ability the boys have, they dont make it & become disillusioned and chuck the game.I totally agree with you 100% Bry, especially the last paragraph regarding the height of players. I have seen this selection process being carried out by coaches from all over Scotland for far too many years. Its just as well the Argentinian coaches are not so narrow minded as we would not have seen the likes of Messi or Maradona grace the worlds football fields.
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Post by fjb1888 on Sept 5, 2010 10:17:27 GMT
the Kids all attend St Ninians out here in Kirkie ! they combine education with the training at Lennoxtown. so they will not be extending the academy !
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Post by clydebankcelt on Sept 5, 2010 15:39:28 GMT
Hamilton Academical has become a mecca for young players in Scotland, according to chairman Ronnie McDonald 5 Sep 2010 MANCHESTER has the Theatre of Dreams but Hamilton is close to Mecca: the bingo hall, that is. The sat-nav on the Rangers team bus will surely identify when it reaches New Douglas Park next Saturday that the Mecca next door to the ground is about money, not faith. Ronnie McDonald might argue that his place is about both. Hamilton Academical know how to generate revenue but it is the shrewdness of their owner that prevents that money from going the same way as that of their visitors for Saturday’s live televised SPL encounter. Hamilton and Rangers may have cashed in on their best assets in recent seasons but the latter were forced to do so by an urgent need to soothe the bank over a £30 million debt, while McDonald was prompted only by the desire to see his talented young footballers find a bigger stage. While the champions have sold several of their top performers, notably Alan Hutton, Carlos Cuellar, Barry Ferguson and, most recently, Danny Wilson for more than £2m, the economic outlook at Ibrox has remained bleak. Hamilton, though, carry no debt and are the first SPL club to sell three players developed from their own youth system to the English Premier League in the space of just 12 months. Billy Reid’s side would present an infinitely tougher task for Rangers ahead of their Champions League trip to Manchester United, if James McCarthy, James McArthur and Brian Easton had eschewed those lucrative offers. Yet Hamilton managed to thrive last season despite the loss of McCarthy and Easton – who joined Wigan and Burnley, respectively – by finishing seventh in the SPL, before Wigan manager Roberto Martinez came back and bought McArthur, too If Michel Platini had his way, Hamilton would be a model club for the Champions League, never mind the the Scottish version. They meet the Uefa president’s philosophy about balancing the books and raising their own players, and McDonald will not be casting any jealous glances towards Old Trafford a week on Tuesday. The Hamilton owner acknowledges that McCarthy, Easton and McArthur needed to progress to a bigger stage, and even accepts that Reid – who turned down an offer from Swansea in July – will also move on at some stage. Yet McDonald, a successful businessman, is unlikely to take what he has learned at Hamilton and apply it to a bigger club. “If I was ever in a situation to take over a big club, it could not offer a harder challenge than what I’ve done at Hamilton,” reflects McDonald. “Hamilton were a lost cause, £4.5m in debt and in the Third Division. Last season, we finished seventh in the SPL and sold three players to the English Premier League. “A big club, in my eyes, would be easier to tackle. However, I doubt whether it would give you as much fun. I own this club. I am not really keen for anyone else to buy it. Players come and go but not me. A bigger club would not scare me. I would feel that I can handle any problems, but Hamilton is somewhere I’ve invested more than just money.” The payback comes not only from seeing McCarthy, Easton and McArthur performing in Hamilton colours, but also flourishing in England. McCarthy’s impressive inaugural season at Wigan underlined that the 19-year-old midfelder – who made his Hamilton debut at 15 – will not only fulfil the various contract clauses that will earn Hamilton £3m, but will bring in more money through the sell-on clause that McDonald negotiated. “James McCarthy was the youngest player to appear in our first team, when we were in the First Division,” said McDonald. “He was 15. It is just as well we were not in the SPL then because he would have had to wait until he was 16. I am sure will be able to find other good young players but I would be cautious about saying we might find another James McCarthy because he has developed so much at Wigan. He will be a real top Premier League player. I saw him in pre-season and he’s now 6ft 1in and has filled out. Wigan are convinced he will move one day to a top- four club in England. He will be a star. “People thought I was conning them, but James has proved himself in the Premier League. If he was out there, then it is safe to assume that there are others who can be developed. Clubs are cutting back in their youth policies because of financial constraints but we will find players they do not keep, like we did with James McCarthy who had been at Celtic and Livingston, and James McArthur who had been at St Johnstone. “We currently have five players from our youth system in the first team. It is logical to think that other kids, who are 12 or 13 just now, will gradually emerge to fill the gaps left behind if we sell players on. We have a superb group of under-11s just now. “What helps us is that everyone knows they will get a chance to play in the first team if they come to Hamilton. Five years ago it was a struggle to convince a boy to come to us instead of a big club but there has been a sea-change in attitude. Parents want their kids to do well and know that if the bigger clubs are signing foreign players, it is harder for their lad to get noticed.” Despite being happy to sell their talent when the time is right, there is no rush to push people out the door at Hamilton. That applies to Reid as well as his team. “The fact we are not in debt makes things easier,” said McDonald. “If [Billy] gets an approach, we will discuss it. If it is the right one, I will have no hesitation in telling Billy he should take it. However, it is a harsh world in England, as Jim Jefferies and Craig Levein know. “Clubs want you to sort things out, then they condemn you when the team is not winning because you have sold everyone to save wages – and then you’re sacked. Maybe you would look back and think ‘I had everything I needed at Hamilton, I was well-rewarded and had good players’.” www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/hamilton-academicals/hamilton-academical-has-become-a-mecca-for-young-players-in-scotland-according-to-chairman-ronnie-mcdonald-1.1052909
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Post by prairiebhoy on Sept 5, 2010 23:02:41 GMT
As managers tend to be transitory, why let them pick the majority of the players in the system? Development takes time and usually outlives a manager's tenure. It isn't the same as when Lennon was being schooled by Dario Gradi at Crewe. That guy was there for ever and all the players came up through the same system. Now each manager has a different philosophy it seems but the growth trajectory of the young player (into reserves) should be a shared decision between director of development and manager. The development director may out live the manager in his job so his opinion should have a heavy weighting
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Post by barney on Sept 6, 2010 6:58:00 GMT
The St Ninians project is going well and there is the bulk of under 15's and under 17's training and being schooled there. Even big Johan's kids now attend the school. My own kids are at the school and my oldest was a youth player at Celtic and they along with the other pupils and staff have welcomed the idea with open arms.
The kids who have decided to go to the school have been given accomodation with families and seems the best idea. I would imagine having a dorm at Lennoxtown would bring its own problems and we would be open to all sorts of stories, so I think the blend at present is right and look forward to the system bringing more talent through and they are also involved in all aspects of education as well, so it seems the parnership is strong . The headmaster is giving this a lot of attention and it seems to work.
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Post by tyson277 on Sept 6, 2010 7:30:42 GMT
a good youth policy is the way forward in these hard financial times, lennoxtown is starting to show its working ,just take a look at sirmintys dump in bearsden, if memory serves me right rangers no longer own their training complex, its a part of MIM holdings a company in its own right within MIM and the huns have to pay to get their own youth in the first team
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Post by Sassenach on Sept 6, 2010 7:40:24 GMT
A good academy, well managed with the interests of the players at the heart of it's philosophy will work, look at the Boro acaemy, one on the best in England. Lennoxtown is starting to show what it can achieve and working directly with the local community is excellent. As for Rangers they sold theirs to a group of businessmen and don't even own the rights to the pllayers, Iif memory serves me correctly
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